I mean, we would never, disagree with her or fight with her about anything unless there was real. It didnt take Pennsylvania police long to put together a suspect and motive, according to the 1,100-page Turner Review and Investigation, which was commissioned by the province of Newfoundland. Reviewed in the United States on September 4, 2020. Laudable ambition, difficult to achieve. This is a fantastic book. Kate on average, especially at the beginning, tended to break down in despair and tears, David says. After reading what happened to that poor innocent little boy I truly think that the people responsible for leaving him with his dangerous, violent suicidal mother should do hard time in prison. I cried with rage, almost like the Bagby's and I normally do not get emotional when it comes to true crime novels. "She was difficult to get to know," says Kate. One contains the remains of their son, Dr. Andrew Bagby. You can't tell them this over the phone. MORRISON: What did you think when you heard that? We also may change the frequency you receive our emails from us in order to keep you up to date and give you the best relevant information possible. Neither speaks for the other. I mean, she. KATE: I had a great childhood. Feb 15, 2022 kate and david bagby still alive. Since then, David has spent time enjoying the single life and reconnecting with some of the guys fromTemptation Island. The Bagbys thoughts soon turned from suicide. TVTropes is licensed under a Creative Commons Attribution-NonCommercial-ShareAlike 3.0 Unported License. You know? And that was midafternoon. Dear Zachary: A Letter to a Son About His Father (2008) 1 Video. When another man scorns her during this time, she kills herself and the baby, all to the horror of Andrew's parents. Theyd fly back to Sunnyvale to hold a memorial service. The other, their grandson, Zachary Turner. Well, I was hurt in an, accident. He's a little bleary eyed, but. MORRISON: It was almost two years after Andrew Bagby's murder, when Shirley Turner's eldest son T.J. drove home to his girlfriend after an. For the Bagbys, shock might have, (Photo of David and Zachary; photo of Kate and Zachary; Shirley being escorted, from court; court documents; court exterior; court documents; Kate and David), KATE: I'd sat in the back of the room while Judge Green said to her, `I'm so, sorry, Dr. Turner, your life is on hold, and I know the law is slow.' Highly recommended. Instead, the hearings and appeals dragged on for nearly two years. I agree whole heartedly, that things need to change. Ms. TURNER: (Audio recording) That you aren't trying to take my place. But their efforts to safeguard him weren't enough and they saythat both the justice system and the child welfare system failed them. This year is different. her. I saw the documentaryand I am speechless. Did anyone have more friends than he? because it's hard to get off Newfoundland. We couldnt live without him, Kate Bagby says. MORRISON: Was she taunting them, they wondered? Shirley kills Zachary and herself by jumping into the Atlantic Ocean. MORRISON: What did you think that she would do, kill you? However, as events transpired, the focus shifted to the incompetence of the Canadian courts in keeping Turner behind bars, as well as the plight of Bagby's parents, David and Kate, as they battled to get custody of the last remnant of their slain son. They were in kind of a basement apartment with second-hand furniture. Shirley and Zachary, then 13 months old, had been staying with the couple. Said, `Oh, no, I really can't.'. Unidentified Woman #11: I love them very much. "The birth of Zachary gave us part of Andrew back," says Kate. HEATHER: You are the most amazing, strongest people I've ever. The couple had met in medical school at Memorial University of Newfoundland. He'd been shot five times, including once in the back of the head, execution style. Andrew, of all people, seemed to have no enemies at all. MORRISON: Andrew tried to make a clean break with Shirley in October 2001. Just from that, conversation, you could kind of get the sense that she didn't want Zachary, MORRISON: And for the Bagbys, Shirley issued what sounded somehow. They quit their jobs and moved from California to Newfoundland. MORRISON: So different from who Andrew really was, a kind, devoted son who made Eagle Scout at 15. It turns out Shirley owned a .22 caliber handgun, which she acquired while living in Iowa. Mr. BAGBY: And part of Andrew's problem was, I think, he was just too nice to say, you know, `Get the hell out of my life. You will get an email reminder before your trial ends. Shirley Turner, awaiting, extradition for murder, was out of prison on bail. Kate Bagby still cannot believe that murder has engulfed her life. Mr. SHEARS: You could see in his eyes that he was full of life. While battling the extremely long court system in Canada, they did all they could to keep things civil between themselves and the accused murderer of their son. The Bagbys attended the hearing, of course, and, could not quite believe their ears when they heard the judge's ruling. Source: Kate Griffith/Instagram, David Benavidez/Instagram. However, the intended audience of the film. Cookie Notice They dated for about a year before leaving Canada. "We had a complete meltdown," says David. a month after 30 days. (Photo of Shirley; "Canada" on building; T.J. Shears walking), Mr. T.J. SHEARS: My mom was just like, `Oh, hey.' Click above for unlimited listening to select audiobooks, Audible Originals, and podcasts. This is the most moving and incredibly outrageous true story I've ever heard. Telegram file photo. This attracted the needy and insecure Turner to him. Hello. Meeting her at 6. Mackenzie Long graduated from The George Washington University in 2021 with a Bachelor of Business Administration. Man #14: I admire you and respect you so much for two things. Her former lover was found dead in a parking lot at Keystone State Park in Pennsylvania,northeast of Pittsburgh. don't have these meltdowns and emotional scenes. No one in my entire library system owns it either (30+ libraries), so I wound up having to get an interlibrary loan and have this book shipped to me from another state. I just want to get through medical school.'. MORRISON: The sea at midnight was endless black. This is a fascinating,horrific and humbling read. Eventually, David and Kate broke up for good. I'm tired of this. It says that Pennsylvania detectives almost immediately focused on Shirley Jane Turner. ', KATE: He's so loved. She appealed and a hearing was set for September 2003. Trigger warnings for murder, stalking, abuse, and child murder.The Bagbys are saints and seeing the story as it played out for them was better than any true crime book I have read. By the time they arrived at Turner's house, Zachary was asleep and Kate and David prepared to leave. As the police closed in on Shirley Jane Turner, their sole suspect made it clear that she would not give up easily. MORRISON: Andrew's best friend, filmmaker Kurt Kuenne, suddenly, just knew what he had begun as a small film to memorialize his old friend. Andrew Bagby was an easygoing man with a wide circle of friends who found it almost impossible to say no to people. Some months ago I watched the documentary, "Dear Zachery" on Netflix. For the Bagbys, Zacharys birth was the start of more than a year of renewed joy and incomprehensible pain. Around 3 a.m. on Aug. 18, she found the fishing wharf in the tiny town of Foxtrap. I knew, exactly what my son looked at before he died. (Shirley in court; Supreme Court of Newfoundland sign), Mr. BAGBY: And then they started slogging through the courts with one issue, MORRISON: In the meantime, Andrew's parents made a momentous. After breaking up at the final bonfire and ultimately reconciling, here's what David and Kate have been up to since Temptation Island season 2 aired. All the years that she was good to me as a mother was pretty much thrown out the window at the end.. She was, pregnant, and the baby was Andrew's. On the film's website, David asks those who have seen Kurt's documentary to write to the Canadian Minister of Justice and add their name to his campaign. Kate, who is six years older than David and had been married before, was ready to get married again and start a family, while David was not at that point in his life. Was she lying? IMDbPro Starmeter. He didnt know what to make of it then. Theyre as much in love as any couple Ive ever seen in my life, anywhere, says Andrews lifelong friend Kuenne. hoped Shirley Turner would be returned to the US to face a murder trial. Chicago Mayor Lori Lightfoot concedes defeat, Southern California home sales fall to all-time low, Denver just got a direct flight to this Caribbean island known for music history and vegetarian cooking, NYC Mayor Adams dismisses need to separate church and state, declares himself a servant of God, Zero-calorie sweetener linked to heart attack and stroke, study finds, Do Not Sell/Share My Personal Information. If it looks like she's likely to go back, how is she going to behave? They know they deal with their grief differently and they honor that. She called trying to get Andrew when he was here doing a rotation here in California. And we, would have agreed to anything. By rejecting non-essential cookies, Reddit may still use certain cookies to ensure the proper functionality of our platform. MORRISON: Andrew was the only child of software engineer David Bagby and his wife, Kate, a nurse practitioner. Their sons killer was off the streets and their grandchild would come live with them. He had returned to the US and had discovered a passion for family practice, where his love for people--and theirs for him--seemed as natural, as comfortable as the quiet town in Pennsylvania in which he'd chosen to live. Are you having a good day with grandmom and. We don't--we don't gush very much. On Aug. 16, Turner and the Bagbys took Zachary swimming at Bowring Park in St. Johns, Newfoundland. But if her claims were true, and she was carrying their grandchild, then they were clear: they wanted custody. All Access Digital offer for just 99 cents! Mr. KUENNE: You know, he said--she said, `Look, I'm not looking for another husband. dropping Shirley and their grandboy off at her son T.J.'s home (Photo of Zachary sleeping in car seat; streets passing), KATE: She said, `Wake up, Zachary and say goodbye to your grandparents.'. Beyond all that, they have each other, which has proven to be a force stronger than they ever knew. Mr. SIMPSON: You don't need to go out with a woman because you can't think you can do better. He was jolly.. I had two sisters already, so a brother, because now I'd have somebody that I can teach about hockey and, (Shears and Zachary; photo of Shears and Zachary). You were done. to live with his father in a tiny coastal village hundreds of miles away. not only is Shirley Turner never held accountable for murdering Andrew, but she's allowed to keep primary custody of Zachary, ultimately resulting in his death. Kurt Kuenne created the movie as a kind of big-screen scrapbook to immortalize Andrew Bagby, one of his best friends from childhood. Colleagues warned him to go to the police but, instead, after work that day he drove to a car park to meet her. (David and Kate; photo of Andrew by tape being put into recording device; Ms. TURNER: (Audio recording) Are you babysitting? to let out hints that Shirley Turner was the prime suspect. "In a small sense we have found some peace and contentment," says David. David can go from nearly shaking in anger when he talks about the murder to almost sobbing in sadness over the memory of his boy. David Bagby, left, and Kate Bagby, right, celebrate with their son Andrew Bagby at his graduation from medical school at Memorial University of Newfoundland in June 2000. And thus the decision from which all else followed. May give you a new appreciation for being an American. Do you understand? Some of, those frames even at the dollar stores will say--there'll be little sayings on, Ms. TURNER: (Audio recording) if you want to say `Mommy and Daddy' on a. frame and stick a picture of me and Andrew in it, I don't know. Andrew Bagby, who never knew Turner was pregnant, was the father. How could they dither for months and months. Therefore be forewarned that the back of the book reveals exactly what happened, as does the book itself near the beginning. Now that Zachary was starting to walk, he was free to make a beeline to. Since their son was murdered in 2001 and their year-old grandchild was killed in Newfoundland in 2003,the California couple hasn't bothered decking the halls, but now they're celebrating alegal victory in the case. What if she is backed in a. corner? MORRISON: Andrew's body was discovered the following morning with bullets lodged in his face, buttock, chest, the back of his head. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murders_of_Andrew_Bagby_and_Zachary_Turner 314 [deleted] 5 mo. I didn't even know why I was going, other than Mom didn't want. Mr. KUENNE: I vowed to collect every memory for you before they, MORRISON: As for Andrew's parents, David and Kate, they were, (Graduation photo of Andrew, Kate and David; Shirley with child). Ms. TURNER: (Audio recording) Well, I have that for protection. They're like, `What do you mean?' "Nobody wants to do it, but you have to do it.". The good life started in earnest when Kate first laid eyes on Petty Officer David Bagby, who was serving on the USS Hornet, docked in Long Beach in 1967. It didn't clue in, MORRISON: T.J. says while he was touched that she'd shown up at, the hospital, he was also a little surprised. The full hour will not be available online. Mr. BAGBY: We were out shopping or something. Slain tot's grandparents welcome new bail law. I have some hope that telling this story in detail has a chance to cause change in the law, David says of his book. The movie had me in tears and in rage all at once. A man, who would not give police his name, called the Royal Newfoundland Constabulary to report that he had met Turner in a St. Johns bar and that he later had sex with her. Kuenne said he's grateful that politicians championed a law that could save lives. More than all that, the Bagbys tale is about two people who endured one personal tragedy, which was compounded in harrowing ways that would surely crush most of us. Like everyone elses mom, I guess.. They would go to Pennsylvania to . And I saw that night her malignancy. She pulled herself together and called David, then a technical writer at Ditech Networks in Mountain View. `When Andrew would cry, David would say, `To think we paid good money for this,' Kate jokes. And now a vindictive stalker had killed him shot him again and again until the gun wouldnt shoot any more and left him to die in the November cold of a remote parking lot near Latrobe. They smothered him in kisses and often spoke to him about Andrew. (David; Kate and Zachary; Shirley and Zachary). (David speaking to reporters; Kate speaking to reporters; David on radio show; "Dear Zachary" poster; Kurt editing video; photo of Andrew; photo of Zachary; Mr. KUENNE: I almost gave up making this film when you were, killed. Zachary's life, even talking to her eldest son and his girlfriend about it. And this book was okay. Reviewed in the United States on October 26, 2016. I guess they just clenched their teeth and did it.. MORRISON: It's no easy thing to be a doctor in America. $19.46 2 New from $19.46. KATE: I knew exactly what my son looked at before he died. Temptation Islandairs Tuesdays at 10 pm ET on USA. Mr. SHEARS: Yeah, I guess it did at the time, but I still didn't have, MORRISON: How difficult must it have been to ingratiate, themselves with their son's suspected killer? Zachary, how's our baby today? ', MORRISON: But they'd have to wait almost a month. MORRISON: There might have been a particular reason for this. If. The treatments worked a sweet miracle and on Sept. 25, 1973, Andrew David Bagby was born. It gets a bit bogged down in legal tedium. MORRISON: The girl was Heather, also an aspiring doctor. He was to us, like our gift from God. Andrew came to St. John's. I think they just poured all of their love and, MORRISON: A week after Kurt's visit, Zachary turned one. The decision was put on hold, however, with an appeal hearing scheduled for September. Take a look at Kate and her new love below: In addition to her thriving love life, Kate also created a brand called Spread the Love, which sells clothing and beauty items. The new law enhances ongoing child welfare improvements that can be traced back to Zachary's death, he said in an interview. GARDNER: (Audio recording) I'm interested in the gun. This report aired Dateline Friday, July 23. I had a husband I loved. The idea is for both individuals to be tempted by the singles, and ultimately decide if their partners are their perfect matches. Unfortunately, it went out of print and is very expensive to purchase. True, heartbreaking story of a son's disastrous love relationship and the son his murderer bore. For three seasons now, Temptation Island has been a social experiment to see if long-term couples are able to fix their broken relationships by going on an island full of attractive singles. He and his wife also participated in a. In this brutally tragic true story a Father (David Bagby, author) and Mother deal with the slaying of their son by his ex-girlfriend. In November 2002, when, Zachary was four months old, a Canadian judge ruled that a properly instructed, jury would likely find Shirley Turner guilty and ordered her incarceration, while awaiting a decision from justice officials to surrender her to the, United States. The youngster's death followed the killing of his father, Andrew Bagby the couple's only child. Ultimately, the Bagbys desire to be with Zachary, the one they loved the most, required them to cooperate with Turner, the one they despised the most. The rest of the documentary describes the fallout of Zachary's death, but for his family and for the judicial system. In fact, he had made a date with another woman that night. I got to see what happens to the bastard who did this. Or by navigating to the user icon in the top right. Snow. Mr. SHEARS: When we woke up in the morning, realized they weren't there. I don't know how they are still living, but he described their heartbreak and pain so effectively. A tragedy that could have been prevented. MORRISON: Shirley also claimed to have been at home in Iowa, sick in bed the day of the murder. We. On November 3, 2001, he broke up with Turner at the airport before putting her on a plane back to Council Bluffs, 1,300 miles away. show takes four couples who are having trouble. and allowed to play Russian Roulette with her baby's and other people's lives is totally ludacris. Easy duty. If one thinks the American justice system is slow moving and against the victim most times, then one should encounter the Canadian justice system. I think about the Bagby family all the time. MORRISON: Even more, the Bagbys' gloom was mixed with worry. The September 2006 report, which chronicles the law enforcement and legal developments in the case, provides many of the details in the story that follows. I truly commend the Bagby's commitment to exposing (and trying to bring about change) a corrupt judicial system, even in the midst of their tremendous loss. Turner walked to the end of the pier and, holding Zachary against her, jumped into the frigid Atlantic. "He was beautiful," Kate . The Bagbys were 4,500 miles from home. MORRISON: And now that she was freed, Shirley would once again, Mr. BAGBY: We had to take him down the stairs and give him to, Shirley's friend, who happened to have a car seat. Mr. BAGBY: Constable Walsh asking to call him. It was deeply affecting and the saddest true crime story I have ever heard of. Temptation Island: What Happened To David & Kate After Season 2? Reviewed in the United States on October 1, 2022. NOT an easy or pleasant watch in the slightest. "They are appalled and outraged.". (Shirley and Zachary at birthday party; birthday party), KATE: He didn't want to open presents, you know, he wanted to get, down. The book is not written as a narrative, with suspense building until we find out what eventually takes place. The world is a better place because David and Kate are in it! Not always.. At some point, police say, Turner tied the arms of her jacket together to lash Zachary to her as she walked carrying him. There won't be any question about, whether she can hurt him. Please try again. It was all incorrect from the beginning, that all this, innocence and everything she's told you was a lie. Why would she say that if he wasn't? Much of this DATELINE report incorporates material from Kurt's documentary, as well as something else: the childhood films he made as he taught himself his craft. David Bagby speculates that this was Shirley's idea of victory: when Andrew and Zachary both rejected her, she punished them. Ms. TURNER: (Audio recording) I know you don't want to, you don't intend to. Reviewed in the United Kingdom on June 16, 2016. The days he and a friend would work on his beloved Celica out in that driveway. And he was crying, so I went into the ladies room and sat there, KATE: Made her very angry. In fact, Turner would travel frequently from Iowa to visit Andrew in Latrobe, something shed done the week before he was killed. Father murdered. Reviewed in the United Kingdom on March 12, 2018, Reviewed in the United Kingdom on September 28, 2017. She posts with her new love often and is very open about how happy she feels in the relationship. The murder-suicide was a huge news story in Canada. KATE: (Audio recording) Right. Mr. BAGBY: Yes. Zachary held his hands out, reaching for Kate.. She eventually kills Zachary in a murder-suicide. Ms. TURNER: (Audio recording) (Unintelligible) Hi, sweetheart. KATE: I thought, `Well, he's got to get out of this.'. Two months later, with the extradition process still grinding on, Turner announced she was pregnant with Andrew's child. The night was. And she followed Andrew to St. John's.. The Bagbys went to the morgue to identify their bodies. Mr. BAGBY: By this time we're pretty damn sure she's complete. (Shears; photo of Shirley, Zachary and Shears; Shears walking), Mr. SHEARS: Suddenly everything rushes into you, and you realize that she, did murder Andrew. Not only do you get the whole story of how the justice system failed, but Dave goes on to explain how it should be fixed. The title of the documentary, "Dear Zachary" jumped out at me because I have a son named Zachary. KEITH MORRISON reporting: He was everybody's idea of the perfect best man. Turner, despite being under orders to avoid contact with the couple, sent them photographs of the baby and a "baby book" so they could fill out their side of a family tree. MORRISON: Shirley Turner, also a doctor in training, was 12 years older than Andrew, twice divorced, a mother of three. And so he set out to collect the memories of Andrew's family and giant circle of friends. But he could not get rid of her.. I, Mr. BAGBY: (Audio recording) Look, we will do what is best for Zachary. Mr. SIMPSON: And he said, `I'm going to need to catch up with you, and we're going to have to do some serious talking.' But that is what the Bagbys. But after a year of trying unsuccessfully to have a baby, Kate started using fertility drugs. But on Sunday, when he drove her to the airport, Andrew made it clear to Shirley it was over for good. For the first time in years, David Bagby and his wife Kate are decorating their home for Christmas. I just finishes the book, and for a first-time writer I thought the writing was excellent. When we met him, we just melted as if it was magic. It would take two weeks. Mr. BAGBY: He's now engaged to this lovely girl, and he's going to go to med school. MORRISON: But then she claimed she couldn't find it. When he returned to the States, Shirley showed up soon after. Play trailer 2:39. So we called, and he came over and told us that Zachary and Shirley were. Each decision is subject to appeal. At first, the Bagbys did not know whether to believe her. He made sure to wrap Zachary in a blanket (rather than a bag) and kept him as far away from Shirley's corpse as he could. There was the swimming pool and the pool table and the parents who were always there, but never in the way. As the months slowly passed, the Bagbys visitation rights were expanded. As far as Andrew was concerned, the relationship was a fling nothing serious. 7:30 I'll be at your house.'. MORRISON: Kurt and Andrew grew up together in Northern California, where the fledgling director gave Andrew starring roles in some of his earliest ventures. Content-wise, this Is exactly what I wanted and more. They had tapped into their retirement accounts to get by. Andrew's parents say he tried, frequently, to ease out of the relationship altogether, but Shirley wouldn't buy it. It was the last time the Bagbys would see Zachary. Closed Captioning and Described Video is available for many CBC shows offered on CBC Gem. Mr. SIMPSON: I said, `Do not meet her in private.' As someone very invested in this story, I am enjoying this book so far. The Bagbys couldn't have been happier, particularly since. He was in a little crib and David and I knelt down at his feet and he was just, beautiful.". Temptation Island: Where To Follow The Season 3 Single Girls On IG. Sitting with Kate and David in the sunny house where they raised their son, its almost as if they can see those days right in front of their eyes. Man #26: and for having the strength to make it through, Unidentified Man #27: With what you've been through, to still be, carrying on, still to hold your heads up and keep going and pushing forward is, (Kate and David; photo of David and Kate), Unidentified Woman #13: I think God put some people down on Earth, Mr. A. BAGBY: (Wedding video) We're brothers, and I love you. Even before the ultimate tragic end,I strongly felt that it was a crime within itself that that woman had that defenceless child. The public declaration all but removed the Bagbys doubts. My gut just churned. And finally, tragically, Shirley kills Zachary. They really wanted to have a relationship with their grandchild. Time for all of them to get together at McDonalds for Zacharys first birthday party. And I prayed to God to be looking after him. And we came back. By this stage, he had moved to a new job in the US. Part of my peace comes from doing everything to change Canadian law. Kate says everything seemed to be going smoothly, until here. At least he might have asleep when she went in. "Honestly, that's one of the things that makes me most happy about the passage of the law," he said from Burbank, Calif. "I hope it will enable them to kind of move on mentally and enjoy good things in life. MORRISON: Coming up, Andrew dead. Understood? Then she killed his brother. ', MORRISON: When Dr. Andrew Bagby's bullet-riddled corpse was, found in a Pennsylvania state park in November 2001, his devastated parents. In the wake of the shocking turn of events, Andrew's father, David Bagby, wrote a true crime memoir that is described as "a eulogy for a dead son, an elegy for lives cut tragically short, and a castigation of a broken system.". They told us that they'd found the body. Mackenzie spent a semester studying abroad in Dublin, and has had the travel bug ever since. Kate, with her lovely British accent, moves between dry wit and devastating regret as she remembers. Woman #11: Doesn't matter what happened. and, despite her history of unstable behavior, stalking men who wanted to escape from her insanity and documented history of suicidal gestures when rejected by any of her numerous lovers Shirley Turner was allowed to retain primary physical and legal custody of her son that she was pregnant with when she murdered his father, Zachary. "It was a policeman and he was telling me: 'Your son is dead under suspicious circumstances.' He says he would blunt his emotions, shut them off, and concentrate on the baby. This hope is brutally extinguished when Shirley kills Zachary on one of her visitations. Please try again. They were living like students, says the Rev. KATE: On Sunday night I got out of bed and prayed because I thought Andrew was at risk. It was part of a pattern summarized in the Canadian governments investigative report: Dr. report that concluded the child protection system failed Zachary Turner. Change is slow. MORRISON: Must have seemed like the enemy was in the camp. You know how loved ones you've lost take on sort of a rosy glow in your memories? Yes, I went to great lengths to read this book and I'm glad I did! Cpl. A well written memoir by a father who son was murdered by an ex-girlfriend that was pregnant with his son's child. HEATHER: I was so excited that he was dating somebody. Shirley, held his birthday party at McDonald's. whether she was capable of hurting Zachary. 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