He said, I guess they will have to be giving up the Guiness as well? Whiskey, or "uisce beatha" in the Irish language, is an integral part of Ireland and Irish culture. Not sure this is the right spot, but an Irish colleague and I, had this debate last week around Bushmills v Jameson in an Irish pub, here in New York. Never tried Redbreast for some reason. The date of 1608 doesnt even specifically relate to that brand but that a license was granted in somewhere in that general area. Trust me on this. Utter nonsense. Apparently it is, or was, a thing among certain Irish-Americans to signal their genuine Irishness by refusing Bushmills and drinking Jameson, supposedly the whiskey of Catholics and supporters of the Republic of Ireland. The difference between the two has to do with the history of whiskey production in Ireland. Tulley Dew 10 Year Single Malt! When asked to identify "the term commonly used to refer to the historical period in which Protestants broke away from the Catholic Church," two-thirds of the general public (65%) correctly chose the Reformation. Yep, he was referring to a certain product from Bushmills.. [8] After expansion, output at the distillery rose to 700,000 gallons per annum, and by the 1880s, had reached about 900,000 gallons per annum, at which point the distillery covered over six acres of central Dublin, and had a staff of about 300 people.[3][1]. Produced at Cooley for Sidney Frank, it appears to have been geared mainly for the American market. and IRELAND vs SCOTLAND!! Irish whiskey is only good for shots. Dont be so ignorant as to think about whether a whiskey is protestant or catholicidiot. But "this couldn't be any further from the truth," says McGarry. Ive lost members of my family to the IRA in THIS generation. I was born in West Belfast and I can tell you, that most Catholics prefer Jamesons. I visited Bushmills Distillery, and they were bottling both Bushmills and Jameson in the same facility!! Spent a crap of $$$ too so we could compare them all side by side. . Eamonn, I thought all that was in the past and your country moved on? @Allen: I think it show more the bigoted nature of your tour guide than it does Bushmills. It was their house label Irish before it was readily available in the US. I tried Bushmills a couple of years ago and was surprised to find I liked it a lot, too. nant Protestant-oriented movement. However, some of the buildings have been incorporated into the National College of Art and Design, and are now protected structures. Went on the Bushmills tour in November 2015. As the graph below shows, close to half the Irish American population is Protestant, while just one-third of Irish Americans are Catholic. As Jameson only uses the bourbon barrels once, the color and flavor is more reminiscent of American bourbon. As of late, its been my favorite it has rich barley notes that leave my palate craving more. I am also a fan of Tullemore and Black Bush. Fathers side Ulster.ancestors to America ca 1719. I was a bartender in NY in the early 90s and in 98 moved to Kinsale Cork and bartended their for 4 yrs. I can guarantee no one here in Dublin or Ireland gives a crap either way. For this reason, Bushmills has a bigger flavor, while Jameson has a much lighter flavor. Hence, Bushmills is Protestant whiskey, which means by contrast Jameson, down in Cork County, must be Catholic. I even stayed in what was one of the hotbed cities during the troubles. (typically with the dots de-emphasised using colour and font size), is a brand of Irish whiskey produced by William Grant & Sons. Interesting and often amusing reading of so many perspectives. [7], In 1871, the distillery was expanded and rebuilt in the Victorian style, becoming one of the most impressive sights in Dublin. And I obviously know alot about it being from Ireland and the horrific scenes of the troubles. If you want to support Ireland, go and visit and maybe read a few history books and hopefully realise that most normal people dont give a toss about religious leanings. . Contrary and challenging to the end- does this not sum up the Celtic spirit, whatever its origin or leaning? The plantation of Ulster started in 1609, and BTW that very same King (James I) planted the Jamestown settlement in Virginia two year previous in 1607. Funny. A few years ago during a trip to Ireland we had dinner at the home of some relatives. Anyway, both of your sources are wrong, but at least your father got the order right. Were not bothered by any of that old bullshit now. Dear sir, I know you did a bit onSangrita, but I was wondering if you have a good recipe for Sangria. You may see the Co. Offaly whiskey grow even more now that William Grant & Sons owns it, and will be building the new distillery soon. Good evening All, But none of it means much, anyway: both distilleries are owned by huge international entities: Jameson by French liquor conglomerate Pernod-Ricard, and Bushmills by the English firm Diageo. Sectarianism in Glasgow takes the form of long-standing religious and political sectarian rivalry between Catholics and Protestants.It is particularly reinforced by the fierce rivalry between Celtic F.C. Right. It was one of the longest and most destructive conflicts in European history, resulting in millions of casualties. Come back if yer all so fucken proud. So, which Irish whiskey is Catholic? I also like Writers Tears, Bushmills and the Redbreast (12 more so than the 15). Im coming to celebrate Repeal Da, Fall book drop. Get your facts right ! stupid fucks In response, Guzzi This bill . I dont give a rip shit about religion and in fact LOATHE the typical evangelical protestant types like Swaggart, Murdoch etc. Your email address will not be published. I went to the Distillery in Tullamore(now a museum for the whiskey), it is now produced in Middleton, although it is no longer owned by Pernod-Ricard. It is the second-largest-selling brand of Irish whiskey globally, with sales of over 1,500,000 cases per annum as of 2020. But The fact that this blog has been going for so very long tells me the myth is true. Shortly after reading this post I dropped by Mortons to see a bartender friend. A friend of mine hooked me on Jerrys Drink which is 1 part Jameson 12, 1 part Irish Mist and a quick splash of 7-up or Sprite. Love a pleanty [8] This was a notable departure for the firm, as for many years the big Dublin distilling dynasties had shunned the use of Coffey stills, questioning if their output, grain whiskey, could even be termed whiskey. Delicious! Currently rumored to be building a new distillery, Well, I already put my two cents in well up the thread, but here is some topical good news for the distillery in the North2013 Spirit of the Year: Bushmills http://www.winemag.com/Web-2013/2013-Spirit-of-the-Year-Bushmills/, Having just had this discussion with my buddy who was bribed with a bottle of Bush to express his love of it via twitter (which he refused, good man that he is) I have to say the following-. In true Irish US tradition, my son is a cop and we will drink any Irish whiskey all of which are superior to Scotch. Thanks, Mike. I was born in buncrana moved to Derry then to Belfast and am now living in the uk Im Catholic and I must say I prefer Bushmills to Jamesons although Ive been a life Long fan of Jamesons it doesnt matter whether your Hun or teag drink what you like dont bring sectarianism into it itll spoil the taste. So any Americans who believe this, should change to Murphys at once. wear my orange on St. Patricks Tullamore Dew, rendered in most branding as Tullamore D.E.W. Most of those comments are from Americans who watch a lot of television, Im afraid. Arthur Guinness was a Protestant and a Unionist. I am not trying to be offensive here, but really, it is just so dumb. The Protestant Reformation was a religious, social, economic, and political revolution that was sparked when a Catholic monk named Martin Luther nailed his 95 Theses to the door of his local . You will love this stuff. -as he grabbed the Red Breast off the shelf. This was a long term plan but theyve brought it forward by about 8-10 years. Historically a single pot still whiskey, the flagship Powers Gold Label brand was the first Irish whiskey ever to be bottled. So, so stupid. Well Kentucky used to be part of the state of Virginia, but that doesnt mean you blame the whiskey for something that happened in that state. That was over 40 years ago. Jeffrey, isnt there an expiration date to such things? Counter-Reformation, also called Catholic Reformation or Catholic Revival, in the history of Christianity, the Roman Catholic efforts directed in the 16th and early 17th centuries both against the Protestant Reformation and toward internal renewal. There was a big banner from the 80s in one of our meeting rooms that read boycott bushmills they discriminate because they were from the north they didnt use to hire catholic workers. Is Misty protestant? I am not surprised that this thread is 6 years old and still going strong. Both sides here will gradually realise that they have more in common with each other than they do with folk in ROI or England, thats been my experience. OK, OK, can be pretty good and certainly much cheaper. I drink and enjoy both, but based on my experience(s) in Ireland lets just say watching you order a Bushmills in Dublin would be very entertaining. I was raised Catholic by my mother after the parents divorced when I was three. Check it out: http://whiskiesoftheworld.com. Have an OHaras Red and a Jamison on me. One more thing Since Pernod Ricard shut down the grain stills at the old Bushmills distillery, all of the grain whiskey in Bushmills is from Middleton! Powers Gold Label is also wonderful and dirt cheap. That was in fact untrue. Funny, I also sought some info from a Bushmills rep when this controversy came up around St. Pattys day! Holy moly, [3], Following reform of the distilling laws in 1823, the distillery expanded rapidly. Despised it. I prefer the taste of Bushmills as its smoother where Jameson is a sharper taste. In side-by-side STEEL CAGES!! You wouldnt really understand the depth of the situation. Previous Post Elements Eight Rum March 17, 2016 / 1:00 PM / CBS San Francisco. And it really is an Irish American thing to take to finding out which is protestant and catholic lol. Clean, fresh. Though I guess thats for a different forum. The good news is I dont have to worry about car bomb in Hicktown. Maybe they will bottle the Cork supply in Tullamore in the interim. I became a Whiskey drinker a few years back now, and started with Jameson. In return, Bushmills receives grain whiskey from both Midleton & Cooley. I wanted to explore one of t, @teremana has been my new favorite tequila since t, Happy Repeal Day! Spent the rest of the week getting to know Irish whiskey & came home w/ small bottles of Irish Whiskeys I wasnt sure I could get in the US so I could continue my coyage of discovery at home. Being RC from Ulster, Ive had Jameson (and other Cork products) in plenty of Prod pubs (whether in Belfast or elsewhere) and plenty of Bushmills in RC pubs (whether in Dublin or in staunch republican areas of Cork, Kerry, and elsewhere), and never been hassled over it. [3], As the distillery grew, so too did the stature of the family. I can just say Cheers! Ireland is %110 united in whiskey. Assertive and complex, with lots of development and seemingly infinite dimension. My wifes grandmother an active protestant would not let me in her house due to my faith. If you are not an active Catholic or Protestant. And as our clan motto states commit thy work to god. The three also exchange used casks, when need be, if they have extra. It was largely untouched by the Troubles and paramilitaries. Mind you the order as I see it goes Knappogue 51 > Midleton Rare > Knappogue 15 > Redbreast > Black Bush > Knappogue 92 > Tullamore Dew (makes for the best Irish Coffee) > Then take your pick of the Jamesons/Bushmills/Cooley offerings. Dont fall for those expensive effete offerings. @Darby )Gill: What a load of nonsense! I sincerely doubt that there are too many Irish Catholics who care about the religion attached to what they drink. You can see why I am confused. Then I must be the luckiest Arab in all o Ireland!. Usually King James Version. My post was simple stating that the problem still exists. Believe in the Trinity of God. Of course with these kind of things mud tends to stick and some Irish-Americans wouldnt let the facts get in the way of a good anti-British story. But my personal preference is Redbreast, a twelve-year pot still Irish whiskey produced at the Old Midleton Distillery and a real delight to sip while enjoying a late-night Irish breakfast of sausage, egg, pudding and soda bread. The main differences between Tullamore Dew vs Jameson are: Tullamore Dew is produced in different distilleries, whereas Jameson is produced in a single distillery. Being good to people is the very best thing you can do for yourself. Although some Protestants continued to make and sell alcohol, and many more consumed it, the pressure was . To my certain knowledge and as am employee of Bushmills (and a Catholic by birth, but an atheist by choice), you are entirely mistaken. In 1966, with the Irish whiskey industry still struggling following Prohibition in the United States, the Anglo-Irish Trade War and the rise of competition from Scotch whiskey, John Power & Son joined forces with the only other remaining distillers in the Irish Republic, the Cork Distilleries Company and their Dublin rivals John Jameson & Son, to form Irish Distillers. Currently sipping on a Writers Tears neat & have two types of Teeling, The Irishman single malt, The Irishman Founders Reserve, a 12 y/o Redbreast, a GreenSpot single pot, a Powers John Lane Release, a Middleton Barry Crockett Legacy, a 12 y/o Jameson Special Reserve, & a Green Spot still to try. It is a distinct and beautiful expression of the craft. Every time you raise a glass of Bushmills you are in essence raising a glass to an Irishman losing his land (and in some cases his life) to British rule!! I got into Powers through my wife, ans she learned of it from Shane MacGowan(s music). Cured beef appeared in many cultures and has no clear beginning. It resulted in the creation of a branch of Christianity called Protestantism, a name used collectively to refer to the many religious groups that separated from the Roman Catholic Church due to differences in doctrine. [2] Whiskey and Cocktails Uisce Beatha or Water of Life has been distilled in Ireland for many centuries and possibly even for millennia. John Jameson was Pentecostal. The worst mistake I made was ordering a Bass Ale in PJ Horgans on Queens Blvd. No coffee or anything green. Sorry, but I have always loved them both. There were licenses to distill granted in and around the Bushmills area in 1608. DONT EVER ask an Irish person , north or south if they are catholic or protestant because they will look at you with contempt. The answer is that it depends on the distillery. I am for Bushmills especially sprinkled over banana bread. Bad Catholic that I am, I always drank Bushmills over Jameson. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X85N-43REag. Not that it really matters. I was aware of the obvious problem with the claim that Bushmills is 'protestant whisky' but this gives a great insight. The Catholic and Protestant Reformations established long-lasting effects within the religious world. I think the Middleton hurt my wallet the most. Wonderful thread. A great whiskey. One happens to be located in a majority Protestant area and one located in a majority Catholic area, big deal! Theyve also started work on a massive bottling plant on site to bring all areas of Dew production back to the town. Theres not catholic or protestant whiskey. Plus, many of the whiskies can be sipped neat or on the rocks. Cocktail Kingdom Stainless Steel Julep Strainer, Kuhn Rikon 4-Inch Nonstick Colori Paring Knife, UPDATE: So much has been discovered since this post originally went up, about the dangers of quinine in people with quinine sensitivity. Over and out. This is because Guinness is now seen as a world-wide iconic Irish brand and brings in lots of money to the southern Irish economy. Like Jameson, it is blended whiskey, some combination of pure pot-still whiskey with column-still grain whiskey (allegedly 70% pure pot still to 30% grain). The root of this myth lies in the fact that Bushmills is located in the predominately Protestant and still British Northern Ireland. Hes either the only Irishman who believes this or some in this thread are misinformed. My South Side Irish Chicago Dad always told me that Jameson was the Catholic whisky and that Bushmills was the whiskey made by the damn Protestants. Ive been to the area that Bush Mills in manufactured and its total UFV territory. Also, show some class fellas (Burnsy calling me an idiot) my grandfather who is from Tipperary lost friends because of the Black and Tans (you know the English convicts the English government set upon the Irish), in some cases they were beaten to death!! When I explained this myth to customers in Ireland they all had a good laugh. Redbreast is wonderful, but spendy. Redbreast is my favorite but I only buy a bottle or so a year. Regards, BTW, while traveling through a Protestant section of Belfast, our tour guide (who had a joke or good story for most Irish traditions) pointed out a notorious Loyalist BarThat bar there (the Hideout)was blown up many times by the IRA during the Troubles. 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